Many times Christians say, "This is the only day of salvation. Once God closes the door, in this dispensation, that's it." If they mean during this life is the time, true. Like the Catholics praying for the souls of the dead, that's wrong doctrine, while you're alive is the time to make your decision. BUT, the ones who say after the Rapture, once we're taken out of the world, the Holy Spirit will stop operating and the world will be given over to the devil, uh, not exactly. Because reading further into Revelation, we read, "After these things I saw a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every tribe and tongue and nation, standing before the throne of God and of the Lamb. And I asked, "who are these?" And He said, "These are they who came out of the Great Tribulation, and have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb." CAME OUT OF the great Tribulation, {compared to the "original Christians who were Raptured, not beheaded, {"Behold! I show you a mystery! We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye." The 144,000 bringing in multitudes, {and this is happening during the Tribulation, and the fact that the 2 witnesses are killed by the Antichrist {and if the 2 witnesses are preaching the Gospel, and at the time of the Antichrist, this shows that the Holy Spirit WILL be operating during the Tribulation, and there will be people saved during the Tribulation. So there's one more chance at salvation.
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Tribulation saints
- Thread starter Steven Bobb
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Namelesservant
Humble Servant of All
I agree with this ###. Holy Spirit has been speaking to me about these times of tribulation. And as you wrote there will be people saved during that time.
Revelations 14:
9Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] arethose who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
So saints will die for the Lord after the mark of the beast is operational. So not everyone takes the mark. And if I am not completely wrong these events happen during the tribulation.
At one point I even speculated that can those who take the mark be saved if they remove the mark from themselves. See Matthew 5:29-30 and compare it to what is said about the placement of the mark, right hand or forehead. It might be just an odd coincidence that Jesus speaks specifically of right hand and eye. Or perhaps the mark which is placed on right hand can be removed by surgery or by cutting of the hand? And if it's placed on forehead could the placement be behind right? But this is just my speculation, discern it and investigate it yourself. And do share your thoughts.
Revelations 14:
9Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] arethose who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
So saints will die for the Lord after the mark of the beast is operational. So not everyone takes the mark. And if I am not completely wrong these events happen during the tribulation.
At one point I even speculated that can those who take the mark be saved if they remove the mark from themselves. See Matthew 5:29-30 and compare it to what is said about the placement of the mark, right hand or forehead. It might be just an odd coincidence that Jesus speaks specifically of right hand and eye. Or perhaps the mark which is placed on right hand can be removed by surgery or by cutting of the hand? And if it's placed on forehead could the placement be behind right? But this is just my speculation, discern it and investigate it yourself. And do share your thoughts.
Steven Bobb
Beloved of All
I don't think there's salvation after taking the mark, because of the statement, "Whosoever takes the mark of the beast, the same shall be tormented in fire and brimstone in the sight of God and of the Holy angels." What some say, though, is that the first half of the Tribulation the Antichrist pretends to be the "good guy," to deceive everyone. But then after that, he brings in the mark, and at this time is when God claims His own and the ones to be saved "see the light."
Brockston
Prayer Warrior
The mark of the beast is satan's mark over those who have rejected Jesus as Lord and Savior like all atheists do today, all the agnostics and those skeptics who reject the Lord. We shall never ever be deceived by any of satan's tactics. Just grow closer to the heart of the Lord and never ever leave His hands of mercy from you.
Martha Buthelezi
Servant of All
At Calvery one of the criminals, at the last minute, was converted when he believed what Jesus was saying. Is there a chance that those with an evil mark will repent and follow Jesus, and thus be saved.
I'm speculating here.
I'm speculating here.
Jesus is full of mercy and compassion on those who come to Him. Repent and believe.... says the Lord. If anyone obeys the voice so the Lord shall be saved.
Martha Buthelezi
Servant of All
Steven Bobb
Beloved of All
No, I don't think after they take the mark, because in Revelation it says, "WHOSOEVER takes the mark of the beast, the same shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the sight of the Lord and of the holy angels." But what I've heard others say, and I tend to believe, is that likely those foreordained to be saved, God will "enlighten" them after the antichrist declares everyone take the mark, but before they actually take it. {Which is why they'll be martyred.} "And I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for their testimony."
Brother James
Beloved of All
Thank You, Praise You Lord Jesus for ###! Lord teach ### to follow your instructions, teach ### to count it all as joy and teach ### to stop thinking about his life all in Jesus! Amen! Thank You Lord Jesus!
