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Sunday VS Saturday & Loving Jesus

YeshuahComes

Humble Servant of All
That which follows is evidence for the truth:


The Change of Days & Times:

Constantine’s law issued (AD321) did not even mention Sabbath but referred to the mandated rest day as a “the venerable day of the sun.” And how kind he was to allow people to observe it as it was convenient. Contrast this with God’s command to observe the Sabbath “even during the plowing season and harvest” (Exodus 34:21)! Perhaps the church leaders noticed this laxity as well, for just four years later, in A.D. 325, Pope Sylvester officially named Sunday “the Lord’s Day,” and in A.D. 338, Eusebius, the court bishop of Constantine, wrote, “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) we (Constantine, Eusebius, and other bishops) have transferred to the Lord’s Day (the first day of the week) as more appropriately belonging to it.”

Romans (Constantine):

Worship of the sun became very important among Romans during the later periods of Roman history. It even ended up leading to what many historians refer to as “solar monotheism”, which is, in other words, almost complete worship of the sun. Almost all of the gods during that period had solar-like qualities, and even Jesus had acquired the traits of popular sun gods.
The feast of the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun) was a popular tradition celebrated on December 25th by many in the area during that time period. That was, until it was replaced by Christians with Christmas, the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

My only question to you: Who on earth gave the Catholic Pope authority to change the Father's mandate of the Sabbath (7th Day) to Sunday the first day for all people of the WORLD?

Jesus said:

KJB 1611Matthew 5:
17 ¶ Thinke not that I am come to destroy the lawe or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. (In other words, he DID NOT change anything)

18 For verily I say vnto you, Till heauen and earth passe, one iote or one title, shall in no wise passe from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoeuer therfore shall breake one of these least commaundements, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdome of heauen: but whosoeuer shall doe, and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdome of heauen.

So, the old testament never passed away, and not the laws the Father gave us. SO all Sunday worshipers are against the law.

Jesus said:

KJB1611John 14:
15 ¶ If ye loue me, keepe my commandements.

So, do you really love Jesus? How much do you love him? Do you love him enough to keep his commandments? That means all of the Bible.

The Sabbath Day

I wish you a blessed Sabbath day.


Applicable Scriptures:
KJB1611:
Exodus 20:8
Remember the Sabbath day, to keepe it holy.
Exodus 16:23
And he said vnto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath vnto the Lord: bake that which you will bake, to day, and seethe that ye will seethe, and that which remaineth ouer, lay vp for you to be kept vntill the morning.
Exodus 16:26 |
Sixe dayes ye shall gather it, but on the seuenth day which is the Sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exodus 16:29 |
See, for that the Lord hath giuen you the Sabbath, therefore hee giueth you on the sixt day the bread of two dayes: abide yee euery man in his place: let no man goe out of his place on the seuenth day.
Exodus 20:10 |
But the seuenth day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not doe any worke, thou, nor thy sonne, nor thy daughter, thy man seruant, nor thy mayd seruant, nor thy cattell, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 |
For in sixe dayes the Lord made heauen and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seuenth day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and halowed it.
Exodus 31:13 |
Speake thou also vnto the children of Israel, saying, Uerely my Sabbaths ye shall keepe: for it is a signe betweene me and you, throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the Lord, that doth sanctifie you.
Exodus 31:14 |
Yee shall keepe the Sabbath therefore: for it is holy vnto you: Euery one that defileth it, shall surely be put to death: for whosoeuer doth any worke therein, that soule shall be cut off from amongst his people.
Exodus 35:3 |
Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations vpon the Sabbath day.
Leviticus 16:31 |
It shall be a Sabbath of rest vnto you, and ye shall afflict your soules by a statute for euer.
Leviticus 26:2 | R
Ye shal keepe my Sabbaths, and reuerence my Sanctuary: I am the Lord.
 
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Brother James

Beloved of All
That which follows is evidence for the truth:


The Change of Days & Times:

Constantine’s law issued (AD321) did not even mention Sabbath but referred to the mandated rest day as a “the venerable day of the sun.” And how kind he was to allow people to observe it as it was convenient. Contrast this with God’s command to observe the Sabbath “even during the plowing season and harvest” (Exodus 34:21)! Perhaps the church leaders noticed this laxity as well, for just four years later, in A.D. 325, Pope Sylvester officially named Sunday “the Lord’s Day,” and in A.D. 338, Eusebius, the court bishop of Constantine, wrote, “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) we (Constantine, Eusebius, and other bishops) have transferred to the Lord’s Day (the first day of the week) as more appropriately belonging to it.”

Romans (Constantine):

Worship of the sun became very important among Romans during the later periods of Roman history. It even ended up leading to what many historians refer to as “solar monotheism”, which is, in other words, almost complete worship of the sun. Almost all of the gods during that period had solar-like qualities, and even Jesus had acquired the traits of popular sun gods.
The feast of the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun) was a popular tradition celebrated on December 25th by many in the area during that time period. That was, until it was replaced by Christians with Christmas, the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

My only question to you: Who on earth gave the Catholic Pope authority to change the Father's mandate of the Sabbath (7th Day) to Sunday the first day for all people of the WORLD?

Jesus said:

KJB 1611Matthew 5:
17 ¶ Thinke not that I am come to destroy the lawe or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. (In other words, he DID NOT change anything)

18 For verily I say vnto you, Till heauen and earth passe, one iote or one title, shall in no wise passe from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoeuer therfore shall breake one of these least commaundements, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdome of heauen: but whosoeuer shall doe, and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdome of heauen.

So, the old testament never passed away, and not the laws the Father gave us. SO all Sunday worshipers are against the law.

Jesus said:

KJB1611John 14:
15 ¶ If ye loue me, keepe my commandements.

So, do you really love Jesus? How much do you love him? Do you love him enough to keep his commandments? That means all of the Bible.

The Sabbath Day

I wish you a blessed Sabbath day.


Applicable Scriptures:
KJB1611:
Exodus 20:8
Remember the Sabbath day, to keepe it holy.
Exodus 16:23
And he said vnto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath vnto the Lord: bake that which you will bake, to day, and seethe that ye will seethe, and that which remaineth ouer, lay vp for you to be kept vntill the morning.
Exodus 16:26 |
Sixe dayes ye shall gather it, but on the seuenth day which is the Sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exodus 16:29 |
See, for that the Lord hath giuen you the Sabbath, therefore hee giueth you on the sixt day the bread of two dayes: abide yee euery man in his place: let no man goe out of his place on the seuenth day.
Exodus 20:10 |
But the seuenth day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not doe any worke, thou, nor thy sonne, nor thy daughter, thy man seruant, nor thy mayd seruant, nor thy cattell, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 |
For in sixe dayes the Lord made heauen and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seuenth day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and halowed it.
Exodus 31:13 |
Speake thou also vnto the children of Israel, saying, Uerely my Sabbaths ye shall keepe: for it is a signe betweene me and you, throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the Lord, that doth sanctifie you.
Exodus 31:14 |
Yee shall keepe the Sabbath therefore: for it is holy vnto you: Euery one that defileth it, shall surely be put to death: for whosoeuer doth any worke therein, that soule shall be cut off from amongst his people.
Exodus 35:3 |
Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations vpon the Sabbath day.
Leviticus 16:31 |
It shall be a Sabbath of rest vnto you, and ye shall afflict your soules by a statute for euer.
Leviticus 26:2 | R
Ye shal keepe my Sabbaths, and reuerence my Sanctuary: I am the Lord.
There is a book that you can download for free called Sunday the Sabbath written by Harold Camping in which I have verified through the original languages of the Bible.

Are we to judge another's sabbath day?

Colossians 2:16-23 KJV

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

What are we as gentiles commanded to observe? Have you read Acts 21? In verse 25 of the KJV we read...

Acts 21:25 KJV

As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Why do you want to bring another under bondage of something that pointed to the first coming and resurrection of Christ? Should we continue to circumcise our children as well? Should we continue to sacrifice animals as well? Should we deny the power to heal and deny the resurrection of Jesus as if He never came at all?

If I keep my sabbath on a Monday or a Wednesday because I look to Jesus as my sabbath is another commanded to judge me for that? Didn't Jesus redeem us from the Law? If we observe anything from the Law as a Gentile isn't that described as a Law unto itself? Is that on our own?

No offence Dear Sister but I Love Jesus more than anything and I know Him, I'd say as well as any other can know Him and as a humble faithful friend I am willing to share with you that you are wrong but you being wrong cannot separate yourself from His Love if He truly Loves you :)

Grow in knowledge Sister but don't take yourself back to the bondage that existed before Christ first Resurrected Himself :)
 

YeshuahComes

Humble Servant of All
There is a book that you can download for free called Sunday the Sabbath written by Harold Camping in which I have verified through the original languages of the Bible.

Are we to judge another's sabbath day?

Colossians 2:16-23 KJV

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

What are we as gentiles commanded to observe? Have you read Acts 21? In verse 25 of the KJV we read...

Acts 21:25 KJV

As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Why do you want to bring another under bondage of something that pointed to the first coming and resurrection of Christ? Should we continue to circumcise our children as well? Should we continue to sacrifice animals as well? Should we deny the power to heal and deny the resurrection of Jesus as if He never came at all?

If I keep my sabbath on a Monday or a Wednesday because I look to Jesus as my sabbath is another commanded to judge me for that? Didn't Jesus redeem us from the Law? If we observe anything from the Law as a Gentile isn't that described as a Law unto itself? Is that on our own?

No offence Dear Sister but I Love Jesus more than anything and I know Him, I'd say as well as any other can know Him and as a humble faithful friend I am willing to share with you that you are wrong but you being wrong cannot separate yourself from His Love if He truly Loves you :)

Grow in knowledge Sister but don't take yourself back to the bondage that existed before Christ first Resurrected Himself :)
Who are you to follow? Jesus himself, the Father or translated Bibles that are incorrect? For ourselves it is Yeshuah and the Father's words which play the "trump card"for did not Jesus say:

KJB1611, Matthew 19:

3 ¶ The Pharisees also came vnto him, tempting him, and saying vnto him, Is it lawfull for a man to put away his wife for euery cause?
4 And hee answered, and said vnto them, Haue ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female?
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leaue father and mother, and shall cleaue to his wife: and they twaine shalbe one flesh.
6 Wherefore they are no more twaine, but one flesh. What therefore God hath ioyned together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say vnto him, Why did Moses then command to giue a writing of diuorcement, and to put her away?
8 Hee saith vnto them, Moses, because of the hardnesse of your hearts, suffered you to put away your wiues: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say vnto you, Whosoeuer shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away, doth commit adultery.
10 ¶ His disciples say vnto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marrie.
11 But hee said vnto them, All men cannot receiue this saying, saue they to whom it is giuen.

Further Matthew 5:


For verily I say vnto you, Till heauen and earth passe, one iote or one title, shall in no wise passe from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoeuer therfore shall breake one of these least commaundements, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdome of heauen: but whosoeuer shall doe, and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdome of heauen.
20 For I say vnto you, That except your righteousnesse shall exceede the righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisees, yee shall in no case enter into the kingdome of heauen.

Further Matthew 7:

1 ¶ Not euery one that saith vnto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdome of heauen: but he that doth the will of my father which is in heauen.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, haue we not prophecied in thy name? and in thy name haue cast out deuils? and in thy name done many wonderfull works?
23 And then wil I professe vnto them, I neuer knew you: Depart from me, ye that worke iniquity.
 
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YeshuahComes

Humble Servant of All
A Question @Brother James do you speak, read, write ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew and Greek?

My husband does. What you should know is that every single letter of theses old languages tell a story by themselves that is greater than the word it is in. Further, I hold no person, book, or another's understanding above that which is written as it was written. For me Jesus is everything. He is also above all men, and that includes Paul and his many misunderstood words. Whatever Jesus"or the Father said is my "trump card" for Jesus is the one who will one day judge me, not Paul. So, it is just like when Moises gave a command to keep the people happy, but that was not the way or the law. As Jesus said it was, as it was in the beginning.
 

YeshuahComes

Humble Servant of All
I believe it is wrong to put a wife away for any reason. I believe divorce itself is wrong but that isn't the point you made about the sabbath is it? As far as translations go I believe that the original languages God/Jesus used are the only correct ones :)
But, again isn't it the same as when Moises gave a command to keep the people happy? It wasn't the law, as Jesus made clear that the law had not changed. That is the point I made about the Sabbath. =-) @Brother James
 

Brother James

Beloved of All
But, again isn't it the same as when Moises gave a command to keep the people happy? It wasn't the law, as Jesus made clear that the law had not changed. That is the point I made about the Sabbath. =-) @Brother James
I'm going to share a secret with you and anyone else reading this. The Church age is over for me because I have seen the Son of Man in the Heavens! Every day is my sabbath. Do you know what the sign of the Son of Man in the Heavens is? It is that the Cloud received Him out of sight! It is that the Cloud, the Clouds is God/Jesus of course! The Cloud that is All around us is the Great and Mighty Hand of God that was there in the beginning, that spoke (doesn't He speak marvelously with the thunder) let the waters separate from the waters and let the dry ground appear, that all eyes behold Him at the same time All around the whole entire Earth at the exact same time, yet our same God/Jesus is the Earth as well as it already was in the beginning as well, He is also the waters that was in the beginning as well. He, God/Jesus is also the moon which reflects the Sun of Righteousness (search Sun of Righteousness in the Bible if you like, isn't God/Jesus the only one that is Righteous)! I can share more but I'm not led to at this time.

My point is, can you or anyone else judge me for my sabbath days that I keep especially if every day is my sabbath?
 

The Encourager

The Encourager
Question: "Why do Christians worship on Sunday?"

Answer: Most Christians traditionally worship on Sunday. Sunday worship is partly attributed to Sabbatarianism, the view that one day of the week should be reserved for religious observance and worship, as required by Old Testament laws regarding the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 31:12–18). In this view, man is to abstain from all labor except that which is necessary for the welfare of family and society. This interpretation of the law contends that only on the literal Sabbath, the seventh day of the week (Saturday), can the requirements of the law be met.

Semi-Sabbatarianism followers, as early as the fourth century AD, believed essentially as the Sabbatarians did, with the exception that they transferred its demands from Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week (the day on which Christ arose from the dead). Theologians of that period, particularly in the Eastern Church, were teaching the practical identity of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) and the Christian Sunday.

Interestingly, a legend recounted in the so-called Apocalypse of Peter, which dates back to the 2nd century AD and is generally accepted as a false writing, transfers to Sunday all of the requirements of Sabbath worship. A man named Albertus Magnus added momentum to this growing movement by suggesting semi-Sabbatarianism be divided into two parts: the moral command to observe a day of rest after laboring the previous six days, and the ceremonial symbol that applied only to the Jews in a literal sense. Thomas Aquinas elevated this proposal to the status of official Roman Catholic doctrine, which in time also gained favor with many Reformed theologians.

Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week, Sunday. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” Paul also urges the Corinthian believers, “On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection may have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically, Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

Christians worship on Sundays in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is very important to remember, though, Sunday worship is not commanded in the Bible, and Sunday has not replaced Saturday and become the Christian Sabbath. While the New Testament describes Christians gathering and worshipping on Sundays, it nowhere states that Sunday has replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. The key point in all of this is that we are not to limit our worship to any particular day of the week. We are to rest in the Lord every day. We are to worship the Lord every day.

 
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