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<blockquote data-quote="Intercessor" data-source="post: 28483163" data-attributes="member: 26"><p>Yes, telos is used to denote completed, usually. Jesus, "it is finished" -- for example... But traditional teaching is that it is the spirit that struggles against the flesh and vice versa, so once we are finished with un-resurrected flesh, we are freed from sin. At the resurrection, the flesh is changed and transformed, and the spirit and body reunited.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hebrews 12:22 "Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23 in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the judge of all men, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the intermediate state after men die and prior to the resurrection the Writer of Hebrews calls those souls, "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" (Heb 12:23).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hey, you did a really good job btw, keep reading the straight Bible, listen to the New testament over and over in audio versions. Commentaries are opinions, The Bible is foundational so you can tell if the commentaries are on track or not. It's like the way they used to teach people to look for counterfeit money -- they studied the original so much the false ones were recognizable because they were easily seen as not authentic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Eph 1:17 in Jesus' name.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Intercessor, post: 28483163, member: 26"] Yes, telos is used to denote completed, usually. Jesus, "it is finished" -- for example... But traditional teaching is that it is the spirit that struggles against the flesh and vice versa, so once we are finished with un-resurrected flesh, we are freed from sin. At the resurrection, the flesh is changed and transformed, and the spirit and body reunited. Hebrews 12:22 "Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23 in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the judge of all men, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." In the intermediate state after men die and prior to the resurrection the Writer of Hebrews calls those souls, "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" (Heb 12:23). Hey, you did a really good job btw, keep reading the straight Bible, listen to the New testament over and over in audio versions. Commentaries are opinions, The Bible is foundational so you can tell if the commentaries are on track or not. It's like the way they used to teach people to look for counterfeit money -- they studied the original so much the false ones were recognizable because they were easily seen as not authentic. Eph 1:17 in Jesus' name. [/QUOTE]
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