Jesus said,"Unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God".We are taught from the Bible that the unsaved dead are tormented, DO NOT go to Heaven..Yet there's a phenomenon happening lately that confuses me as to what's happening.An unsaved person dies in their sins{evidence is their actions.}the dr. in the hospital confirms their death, then the dr. with this contraption called a defribrilater , give them a jolt or two, and "resurrects" the dead person.When the formerly dead person recounts what happened to them during this time,almost all of these unsaved people say they went into a "bright light" and saw God.The drug addicts, the murderers, etc. according to them all went to Heaven.Now here's the thing--the dr. did say they were dead, they did say they came out of their bodies,BUT if the Bible states that the unsaved DO NOT go to Heaven, what is actually happening here?How to explain this?To me it sounds like the devils playbook, making the unsaved think everything is alright "as is",so there's no need for salvation.But I thought after death the fix is in, ,and your fate is sealed. Can the devil mislead you even after death?How do these zombies who the dr brings back from the dead, say they went to Heaven when the were unsaved? It contracts the Bible, but the question is, what is actually happening here?
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Can the devil mislead even after our death?
- Thread starter Steven Bobb
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YeshuahComes
Beloved Warrior
No. The Bibles says we sleep...
Ecclesiates 9:
5 For the liuing know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither haue they any more a reward, for the memorie of them is forgotten.
6 Also their loue, and their hatred, and their enuy is now perished; neither haue they any more a portion for euer in any thing that is done vnder the Sunne.
We do not go into the lake of fire until the day of Judgement.
People can be brought back in a short time, take drowning victims for example.
Whether they see something or not, I am not willing to say,
2 Corithians 5:
10 For we must all appeare before the iudgement seat of Christ, that euery one may receiue the things done in his body, according to that hee hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Steven Bobb
Beloved of All
Some Christians say the verses about sleeping refer to the body ,but either way sleeping or in Hell, the fact that unsaved people claim to go to Heaven when the Bible states otherwise ….that's puzzling to me.And the simple explanation that they had a "deathbed confession"I don't always buy because after revival, their nature hasn't changed.To me, it sounds like the devil misleading them at some level.
The dead know nothing and their time on earth is all over. They will not return again to take with them all the riches from earth or anything they have. The faithful and true to Jesus will be enjoying life in heaven and those who did evil and sinned against the Lord shall be destined to burn in hell forever. Jesus loves you so much and cares for you . Continue to serve Him, love Him and praise Him all the days of your life. He will bless your life.
Maybe God is showing them what they will be missing and giving them the chance to repent.
Brother in Christ (JC)
Beloved of All
Heart dead and brain dead are two different things. It is in my humble opinion that one is not truly dead when the heart stops. Not immediately anyway. Our brain is still active. Medical research indicates that the brain goes on a little longer then the heart. Then if one's brain is still active then the said person can still be subjected to negativity.
Having said all this, I have no frame of reference. I never died to validate the medical team assertions, save the people who claimed I was brain dead!
(I really enjoy your questions)
YeshuahComes
Beloved Warrior
Jesus said we sleep. He knew what death meant, and he wasn't one for mincing words. But, above that is says we know not anything. So we do not know. We are sleeping. Anyone who says differently has their head screwed on wrong. We sleep until the day of judgement when we stand and our soul accuses us.
Can someone come back? My son came back after being without O2 2 different times in his life. He never reported even after these 2 times and being out more than 10 minutes each time, that he ever "experienced anything". The Bible says the dead is Christ shall rise... (This indicates our soul is with our body- sleeping). So I say they are liers that say such things.
Brother in Christ (JC)
Beloved of All
Thank you for your opinion. It is so hard to understand what specifically you are disagreeing with. I am saying that imperical evidence states that one IS NOT technically dead if just the heart has stopped. Therefore a patient under these set of circumstances has NOT died. A True near death experience should include no brain activity. But If you are saying that once your heart stops then you are dead well look below.
Brain function does not die immediately after the heart stops finds study
www.news-medical.net/news/20171019/Brain-function-does-not-die-immediately-after-the-heart-stops-finds-study.aspx
Brain activity can continue for 10 minutes after death - new study
Brain activity can continue for 10 minutes after death - new study
The human brain can continue functioning for more than 10 minutes after the body has died, scientists have discovered.
www.telegraph.co.uk
The authors of the new study, published in the Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences, say the fresh discovery raises ethical problems as to when it is appropriate to remove donor organs in patients who appear to have died.
The Canadian doctors reported observing seeing “single delta wave bursts” in the brain of a patient after the cessation of cardiac rhythm and arterial blood pressure.
The possibility of patients still being alive after heart function have cease (albeit short time) is so real in Canada, that the doctors foresees ethical issues.
And a more religious question that is more appropriate to topic, why did Jesus delayed going to assist Lazarus by two days? Jesus was about to perform His final Messianic miracle. He arrived 4 days after Lazarus death. Why did He wait? He could have been there before the end of the third day. What is special about the third day?
YeshuahComes
Beloved Warrior
I specifically quoted verses relating to death. I said clearly when someone is not dead, that I did not believe they go anywhere. For in the grave the soul sleeps with its body according to scripture. If then, the Bible specifies this: Then how can a soul separate from a body? So then, since the dead rise to meet Christ from the graves, then the soul, can not be apart from the body. So these people then are liers. Also, I was responding to @Steven Bobb.Thank you for your opinion. It is so hard to understand what specifically you are disagreeing with. I am saying that imperical evidence states that one IS NOT technically dead if just the heart has stopped. Therefore a patient under these set of circumstances has NOT died. A True near death experience should include no brain activity. But If you are saying that once your heart stops then you are dead well look below.
Brain function does not die immediately after the heart stops finds study
www.news-medical.net/news/20171019/Brain-function-does-not-die-immediately-after-the-heart-stops-finds-study.aspx
Brain activity can continue for 10 minutes after death - new study
Brain activity can continue for 10 minutes after death - new study
The human brain can continue functioning for more than 10 minutes after the body has died, scientists have discovered.
The authors of the new study, published in the Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences, say the fresh discovery raises ethical problems as to when it is appropriate to remove donor organs in patients who appear to have died.
The Canadian doctors reported observing seeing “single delta wave bursts” in the brain of a patient after the cessation of cardiac rhythm and arterial blood pressure.
The possibility of patients still being alive after heart function have cease (albeit short time) is so real in Canada, that the doctors foresees ethical issues.
And a more religious question that is more appropriate to topic, why did Jesus delayed going to assist Lazarus by two days? Jesus was about to perform His final Messianic miracle. He arrived 4 days after Lazarus death. Why did He wait? He could have been there before the end of the third day. What is special about the third day?
Ellisworth
Servant
Jesus alone is the giver of life... He said... Lazarus, come forth. The dead came out of his cold grave and everyone was happy and joyful to see that the dead has been resurrected. The samething will happen to us when we give up the ghost and know for sure Jesus is right there for us to wake us up and lead us all to our eternal home in heaven. People, specially the Jehovahs Witness will tell you lies and half truths. They say. Heaven is on earth and hell does not exist. Do not believe a lie. Believe what Jesus did and said.
