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I have a member who pm'ed me and I did my best to explain what it is that standers do that hinder restoration, why restoration is delayed by our own doings. It is the one thing that I have the hardest time getting through to standers, and I did my best here so I am going to post it for everyone. There are some excerpts of what he typed to me, but again I have removed anything that would give direction to as the identity of this stander, as it is up to him if he wants to share with others besides me. His situation is one of advancement actually in the stand, his wife is in that pulling close and then pushing away stage that shows God is working and there is just a tug of war going on between the spiritual forces. A good place to reach.
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I have been fighting for my marriage since September, I just want to go home to my family. As a first time stander it's really hard especially this tug of war, sometimes I really think that she is much happier and may not want to return.
Okay, from a hard time seasoned stander to you, a first time stander...which is very hard mind you, I am going to tell you that your biggest hindrince is yourself. As always, I am on the outside looking in and clearly see the problems in your battle, the hindrinces, as I can with every stander, and can tell you what you are doing wrong. The hardest part for me is getting through to a stander what they are doing wrong and getting them to put into action what I tell them to do. That is my battle, as a teacher for God in spiritual warfare.
Here is your biggest problem. Your flesh and looking at your own battle through your physical world eyes and with your physical world ears, instead of getting into your spiritual eyes and ears. This is the hardest thing for every stander to accomplish and the symptoms of this are classic. You keep saying things about your wife, what she says, what she feels, what she thinks, what she wants, what she does or can do....resistance, fighting against, has her mind made up, is strong willed, hard headed, dug in, etc. This is your biggest hindrance to your spiritual battle right here. You are stuck in your physical world and everything she says, she does, or is a component of her personality as you know her, is what you are focusing on. But this battle cannot be fought in your and hers physical world, and it cannot be won there. It is not a physical world battle and she is not the one doing things or saying things, those very things that are affecting you and keeping you bound in the physical realm, which is being distracted from the true battle in the spiritual realm. Number one, you have to fully understand that your wife is in bondage to demonic beings. They have kidnapped her and are holding her hostage and they are telling her what to say and what to do. In your particular case, they do not have her as deeply submerged as most spouses are, and she is very often at the surface and being able to exert her own will, but they do still have a hold on her and keep pulling her down. The back and forth, the tug of war. But key is to know that demonic spirits have her captive, they are the ones that removed her from you and manipulated her body, her mind, her mouth, etc.; to file for the divorce and go through with it. At this point in time, back then, they had full control of her and she was only doing what they wanted and were making her do. You have been praying and fighting with God for her and the marriage, and because of that, they have lost some hold on her and with the loss of some of that hold on her, you have witnessed her be able to come up out from under their hold and do things of her determination, talking with you, the family trip, praying with you. This is the woman that God has His hold on and is pulling her up out from their hold on her and showing you this other side of your wife that God is bringing up and out from their captivity. But these demonic beings are still there, they still have a clasp on your wife and they still pull her back down and submerge her and tell her what she is to do...and that is what they are doing when you see this current side of your wife...the distancing, the pushing away. These demonic beings and God are fighting over your wife. They have her captive spiritually, submerged and doing their bidding, and God is spirituall fighting them to release her from their hold. God is pulling her from them, and He pulls her up to the surface, and you see good things from her, and then they pull even harder because they are threatened...they know God is pulling her away from them and they know they are going to lose their grip on her because they cannot defeat God, so they get real upset and pull her back down that much harder. Then you see this negative side in her. But the thing is, God does not let go either...and He will pull again on her bringing her up again, and they may pull her down again, and He up again, and this will go on as long as it takes for God to pull her up and keep her up, broken free from the demons grip. Now....this is where you come in and how you hinder God pulling her up and breaking her free from their grip on her. This is most standers hindrance in this battle in fact, not just yours...it is something that I have the hardest time getting through to standers..and this is why they make their own battles go on for much longer then they have to. God has shown this to me in a parable of sorts. A vison. There is a big pond of water. In the middle of this pond your wife is caught in a strong whirlpool. This whirlpool in the vision is symbolic of the demonic beings that have your wife captive and keep pulling her down and under so that they can do their bidding in your marriage and with your wife. So there she is caught in this whirlpool in the middle of this pond, and they are sucking her under the water. But she keeps popping to the surface of this whirlpool and because on one side of the pond stands God and on the other side of the pond stands yourself, and both of you have a rope in your hand of which the other end is tied to your wife, and both of you are keeping a tight grip on the rope and pulling, which keeps causing your wife to bob up out of the whirlpool sucking her down. But now I want you to think about this scenerio a minute. Visualize it. She is caught in this whirlpool that is doing its best to suck her under the water, but it cannot because both you and God have a rope tied to her from each opposite sides of the pond bank, so that is pulling her back up and holding her in place at the surface of the water. But...you have three forces here on your wife from three different directions, the water pulling her under, and both you and God pulling in opposition of one another, which is pulling her up out of the water, her head, but other then that it is not pulling her out, it is just holding her in place because those two forces are pulling against one another and just holding her in place. Now..in the vision, God looks over at you and He says to you, "If you will just let go of your end of the rope, I can pull your wife out and up onto the bank, free of the water whirlpool".
God is able, God is very strong, much stronger then the demonic forces that He defeated already over 2000 years ago. God himself created those demons that are sucking your wife under...they were His angels in Heaven, and because they rebelled against Him, He tossed them out of Heaven and down to earth. He can easily pull your wife out of their grasp and pull her on out to safety. But He cannot do anything as long as you are holding onto her as well, she will just be held in place as long as you have ahold of your end of the rope. But this was a parable, because God always has to put things in a form for us humans that we can relate to because we want to think of everything in the physical, we have to be able to touch it and see it. So God explains things to us in a physical format so we can touch it and see it, and that is what parables are. But at the same time this parable is not a physical touch it and see it thing...it is just a physical vision of explanation that we can compute in our brains and emotions. A parable is a physical explanation of a spiritual matter. So you have to transition it into the spiritual, and this is the part I have trouble getting through to standers. The rope that you are holding that is attached to your wife and holding her in place, actually holding her in the demonic forces grasp and God is unable to just yank her on out of their grasp, is your physical eyes and ears, your fleshly compulsion to focus on your wife and what she is saying and doing and letting that affect you mentally and emotionally. It is her pulling away and wanting the two of you put some distance between you, and your getting upset about this and feeling like it is a negative in your situation, in your restoration, and your fretting about what she is thinking, saying, doing, and giving her some credit for that by speaking things like she is strong willed, she is resistant to restoration, she seems happy where she is. This is your flesh reacting to what the demonic beings who have a hold on her are saying and doing...not her...but what they are making her say. When you get caught up in what they are saying through her, and reacting to those things, then that is your focus...their negative has become your negative, and worry is the darkroom where negatives develop....meaning they become real and have substance to them, they manifest into reality. This is a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. However whatever happens in the spiritual will manifest into the physical, that is how it works. Demons are spiritual beings, you cannot see them, you cannot touch them, they are invisible to you. But they are real, and they have your wife captive, and what they tell her to do manifests in the physical world where you can see it and touch it. Her leaving you, her divorcing you, her pushing you away. She is just a body to them by which they can do things in the physical realm, make their actions be seen and heard, because they are invisible and nothing they do can be seen or heard, they need a vessel (a person) to inhabitate to make them seen and heard. But they are spiritual beings and everything they do begins in the spiritual realm of which they are made of. You cannot fight them in the physical, because they are not physical, you have to fight them on their own plane, the spiritual. You can fight the body they have control over in the physical, your wifes body, but all you are doing is striking at the vessel they inhabit, and never are you actually touching them themselves. They will laugh at you. It is like they are inside a armored tank and you are just beating on the outside of the tank and they are safe inside laughing at you and meanwhile you are causing more damage to the tank...leaving dents (in your wife) which helps their cause by making you look even worse to her so they can pull her deeper down into their control. You have to get on their plane my brother, step out of your physical plane and into their spiritual plane where you can get to them and they have no way to hide from you. You cannot see them in your physical plane, but you can see them in their spiritual plane and strike them. So you have to crucify your flesh in this battle and step into your spirit man which is within you. You have to close your physical eyes and ears, plug them up, and open your spiritual eyes and ears and then you will be in their realm and plane. What is the spiritual plane? In the spirital plane only spiritual things exist, the things you cannot see in the physical realm. Satan, his demons, God and His angels, and what both of them say and do. In this spiritual plane satan and his demons say that your wife does not love you, does not want you, but the good news is, God is there and He says that your wife does love you, that what He has joined together no one can separate, it is this spiritual plane that you and your wife made a vow in. Marriage is a spiritual covenant, it is a spiritual vow to God. It just so happens that when you make that spiritual vow, in the physical realm man writes up a piece of paper for vital statistics and hands it to you, because man has to be able to touch and see something. But the real marriage bonding is spiritual, a spiritual covenant vow with God that takes place in the spiritual realm. This is where it cannot be broken by anyone but God Himself, not man in the physical realm with another peice of paper for vital statistics and legal manipulations of man, taxes and such. So in the spiritual realm, satan and his demons are sitting there saying, "Its over, we stole your wife and got her to have man write up a peice of paper, and we are causing her to say things and do things that this man is going to believe, because he is a human and gullable and ignorant of our spiritual plane and the truth, and he is going to just walk on and we will have destroyed this marriage and family". But, on that same plane is God and He says, "Liar, I will call upon this man and put it in his spirit, a spirit that I have put within him, that this is a lie and that he is to fight against you with Me to thwart your plot to destroy this marriage and family, and you will not destroy my children." God will say, "I created you satan and your demonic beings, and I have created the spiritual laws of marriage covenant, and their vow is binding unto me, and you cannot come against me or my spiritual laws, they prevail over you for I made both you and those laws, you are nothing, and I will teach this man my laws and I will teach him to speak my laws and believe in faith in my laws, and you will never come against what this man believes in faith and speaks that is my law that governs you in both the spiritual and manifests into the physcial".
Okay, so you are in the physical, and you are human, a person that is influenced by what you see and can touch, can hear with your physical body. So this is where satan attacks you, using the body, mind, mouth of your wife. His demons take her hostage, kidnap her body, mind and mouth, and they do these things in the physical where you operate in your flesh and react to them. This is how they fight and how they win, in the physical. They cannot win in the spiritual realm, because they are bound by Gods spiritual laws there. And anything they can get you to do in the physical just helps them if it is a negative response, it validates what they are doing in the physical realm. So you have to step out of the physical realm, which is not easy because you are a physical being. But you do have a spiritual man within you that God put within you, so you are able to step into the spiritual realm. You do this by again closing your physical eyes and ears, shut them off to what you see and hear, which is just the demons doing things, saying things, through the physical body they have taken captive. It is not her saying and doing these things...she is trapped and they are using her body, mind and mouth to say what they want to you. Key point here. So you shut that out, close it off, and you step into the spiritual realm where they are and they are already defeated, because they are bound by the laws of God who created them. To do this, you shut out the physical and only focus on the spiritual laws of God. You mind set on those laws, you eat, see, breathe, sleep, wake, and only consume yourself and surround yourself with those spiritual laws of God. It does not matter what they say to you in the physical realm, you only think and speak out back to them what God said in the spiritual realm, that what God has joined together, you and your wife, no one will separate. You know that those spiritual laws are real, and they are the only truth, that anything else is a lie and cannot prevail, only the spiritual truth can prevail, and that they have to heed that law...because they are bound by it. When they use your wifes mouth to say, "I am happy divorced from you, I want us to distance ourselves from one another", you do not listen to those lies they are speaking through her, you close them off, and you mind set and emotion set on, "What God has joined together, let no one separate, that we are not to be apart from one another except by mutual agreement to fast and pray, that we are one man to one woman for life, that the Lord our God hates divorce and says no". You do not tremble at what they say through your wifes mouth, instead you stand on the rock of what God says is truth and law in your marriage. You have got to understand and know that you know that you know, as I say, that this is Gods law and they have to obey Gods law, that they have to let go of your wife and follow the laws of God. They will argue with you, do their best to convince you that they do not have to and you just need to give up and let go yourself of your wife and marriage and let them have it, but you cannot give them or show them any sign of yielding to their lies, you have got to stand bold and get in their face and say no, you will let go of my wife and marriage and follow the law of God.
Everytime you let what they tell you make you tremble and cry, make you fumble and fret, then you are not standing on Gods spiritual laws and enforcing them with authority in your marriage. You are grabbing your end of the rope attached to her and trying to hold onto her yourself with your own physical strength. You are not trusting in the spiritual laws of God, you are only coming back to your own flesh and trying to hold pull on the rope yourself with your own physical strength, trying to keep her in sight with your own physical eyes, and accepting what your own physical ears have heard. Stop! That is not truth they are saying, they are just trying to get you distracted from the truth so you will step into your flesh and physical realm and grab the rope in desparation, and this helps them pull her under, this helps them hold her in place in the whirlpool and their suction on her.
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Why do you think God is slow to respond? I know he wants our marriage/family restored, everyone is hurting, then I think what my wife said, nothing is happening. I guess my faith is being tested. What else should I be doing? I have been praying, & reading the Bible. I do not call her, although there are times that I want to call her. I just wonder if she is happy being divorced, it seems she is when she says stuff like we didn't have much of relationship. Its almost like she is looking for some else. To be honest Kristie there are times I get alittle scared because I've been fighting since Sept 06 to save my marriage/family. We wound up getting divorced so I don't know what else to do, I have turned it over to God...
.....why else would you break up the family and hurt the kids. Would she come back after putting the kids through this hurt?
This right here my friend is your flesh man reacting in the physical realm. You are not in the spiritual realm of this battle, you are very much in the physical and trying to fight this in the physical realm, it wont work. It does not matter what she is doing, what she says, what you think she thinks, what you worry she may think or feel or do. That is all irrelivant in this battle, because it is not even her that is doing or saying or thinking or feeling anything. It is satans demonic beings using her body, mind and mouth to do and say things that keep you reacting in your flesh and holding the rope on your side of the pond, so that they can keep ahold of her in the whirlpool they have her spinning in and bobbing up and down in. Let go of the rope my friend, step out of your physical man and into your spiritual man, and face them and say no, that is not what God says, that is not the law, a law that you have to obey here, these things are lies of your making and you will let go of my wife and my marriage, because God created you and God created the laws that you have to abide by, and I am not accepting your lies and your trickey, I am not holding the rope anymore, nor trembling at your lies and reacting to them, I am standing on the rock and not moving off of it. I am taking authority over my wife as her one flesh, and over our marriage, in the Name of Jesus, and I am enforcing the laws of God that you must obey and are going to obey! I have no fear, I have no worry, I will not fret, I will not cry, I will not believe your lies anymore and I will not hold the rope anymore, I only believe the law of God and will only respond to you with the law of God. I drop the rope and let only God hold any rope attached to my wife and marriage, and He will pull her in and out of your grasp. He will rebuild the love and rebuild the house of our marriage in righteousness and make all things new, a house that you will never gain entrace into ever again. He will do it in His time and in His way and I will stand on the rock unmoved and wait for Him to complete His work in us and our marriage...no matter how long that may take, because God is perfect and so is His timing.
You are a warrior of God my brother. You are a formidable force in God, and they are under your feet, satan and his demonic beings! But you are not formidable and they are not under your feet if you are sitting down and crying and worrying and wondering what she is thinking, feeling, what she may do next, what she may want to do....because in doing this you are sitting down and giving them leeway to do what they want with her and your marriage. They cannot be under your feet with any pressure if you are sitting down crying or laying down desparate. Stand up, put them under your feet, and push down on them hard, trapping them in the spiritual law of God. Ignore what lies they cry out, push harder every time they do speak a lie through your wife. They are pulling her under, now you get up and push them under and breaking their grip on her. You can only do this by standing on the word and laws of God and not letting anything they say or do phase you or distract you from that word and law. Think of it as a parable of you letting go of the rope and swimming out to your wife and strongly pulling their hands off of her while God pulls her up and out. Work with God, not in opposition to God.
Does this make sense and help you any. I search constantly for some way to explain this to standers. I hope this explains it more clearly.
God bless you...
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I have been fighting for my marriage since September, I just want to go home to my family. As a first time stander it's really hard especially this tug of war, sometimes I really think that she is much happier and may not want to return.
Okay, from a hard time seasoned stander to you, a first time stander...which is very hard mind you, I am going to tell you that your biggest hindrince is yourself. As always, I am on the outside looking in and clearly see the problems in your battle, the hindrinces, as I can with every stander, and can tell you what you are doing wrong. The hardest part for me is getting through to a stander what they are doing wrong and getting them to put into action what I tell them to do. That is my battle, as a teacher for God in spiritual warfare.
Here is your biggest problem. Your flesh and looking at your own battle through your physical world eyes and with your physical world ears, instead of getting into your spiritual eyes and ears. This is the hardest thing for every stander to accomplish and the symptoms of this are classic. You keep saying things about your wife, what she says, what she feels, what she thinks, what she wants, what she does or can do....resistance, fighting against, has her mind made up, is strong willed, hard headed, dug in, etc. This is your biggest hindrance to your spiritual battle right here. You are stuck in your physical world and everything she says, she does, or is a component of her personality as you know her, is what you are focusing on. But this battle cannot be fought in your and hers physical world, and it cannot be won there. It is not a physical world battle and she is not the one doing things or saying things, those very things that are affecting you and keeping you bound in the physical realm, which is being distracted from the true battle in the spiritual realm. Number one, you have to fully understand that your wife is in bondage to demonic beings. They have kidnapped her and are holding her hostage and they are telling her what to say and what to do. In your particular case, they do not have her as deeply submerged as most spouses are, and she is very often at the surface and being able to exert her own will, but they do still have a hold on her and keep pulling her down. The back and forth, the tug of war. But key is to know that demonic spirits have her captive, they are the ones that removed her from you and manipulated her body, her mind, her mouth, etc.; to file for the divorce and go through with it. At this point in time, back then, they had full control of her and she was only doing what they wanted and were making her do. You have been praying and fighting with God for her and the marriage, and because of that, they have lost some hold on her and with the loss of some of that hold on her, you have witnessed her be able to come up out from under their hold and do things of her determination, talking with you, the family trip, praying with you. This is the woman that God has His hold on and is pulling her up out from their hold on her and showing you this other side of your wife that God is bringing up and out from their captivity. But these demonic beings are still there, they still have a clasp on your wife and they still pull her back down and submerge her and tell her what she is to do...and that is what they are doing when you see this current side of your wife...the distancing, the pushing away. These demonic beings and God are fighting over your wife. They have her captive spiritually, submerged and doing their bidding, and God is spirituall fighting them to release her from their hold. God is pulling her from them, and He pulls her up to the surface, and you see good things from her, and then they pull even harder because they are threatened...they know God is pulling her away from them and they know they are going to lose their grip on her because they cannot defeat God, so they get real upset and pull her back down that much harder. Then you see this negative side in her. But the thing is, God does not let go either...and He will pull again on her bringing her up again, and they may pull her down again, and He up again, and this will go on as long as it takes for God to pull her up and keep her up, broken free from the demons grip. Now....this is where you come in and how you hinder God pulling her up and breaking her free from their grip on her. This is most standers hindrance in this battle in fact, not just yours...it is something that I have the hardest time getting through to standers..and this is why they make their own battles go on for much longer then they have to. God has shown this to me in a parable of sorts. A vison. There is a big pond of water. In the middle of this pond your wife is caught in a strong whirlpool. This whirlpool in the vision is symbolic of the demonic beings that have your wife captive and keep pulling her down and under so that they can do their bidding in your marriage and with your wife. So there she is caught in this whirlpool in the middle of this pond, and they are sucking her under the water. But she keeps popping to the surface of this whirlpool and because on one side of the pond stands God and on the other side of the pond stands yourself, and both of you have a rope in your hand of which the other end is tied to your wife, and both of you are keeping a tight grip on the rope and pulling, which keeps causing your wife to bob up out of the whirlpool sucking her down. But now I want you to think about this scenerio a minute. Visualize it. She is caught in this whirlpool that is doing its best to suck her under the water, but it cannot because both you and God have a rope tied to her from each opposite sides of the pond bank, so that is pulling her back up and holding her in place at the surface of the water. But...you have three forces here on your wife from three different directions, the water pulling her under, and both you and God pulling in opposition of one another, which is pulling her up out of the water, her head, but other then that it is not pulling her out, it is just holding her in place because those two forces are pulling against one another and just holding her in place. Now..in the vision, God looks over at you and He says to you, "If you will just let go of your end of the rope, I can pull your wife out and up onto the bank, free of the water whirlpool".
God is able, God is very strong, much stronger then the demonic forces that He defeated already over 2000 years ago. God himself created those demons that are sucking your wife under...they were His angels in Heaven, and because they rebelled against Him, He tossed them out of Heaven and down to earth. He can easily pull your wife out of their grasp and pull her on out to safety. But He cannot do anything as long as you are holding onto her as well, she will just be held in place as long as you have ahold of your end of the rope. But this was a parable, because God always has to put things in a form for us humans that we can relate to because we want to think of everything in the physical, we have to be able to touch it and see it. So God explains things to us in a physical format so we can touch it and see it, and that is what parables are. But at the same time this parable is not a physical touch it and see it thing...it is just a physical vision of explanation that we can compute in our brains and emotions. A parable is a physical explanation of a spiritual matter. So you have to transition it into the spiritual, and this is the part I have trouble getting through to standers. The rope that you are holding that is attached to your wife and holding her in place, actually holding her in the demonic forces grasp and God is unable to just yank her on out of their grasp, is your physical eyes and ears, your fleshly compulsion to focus on your wife and what she is saying and doing and letting that affect you mentally and emotionally. It is her pulling away and wanting the two of you put some distance between you, and your getting upset about this and feeling like it is a negative in your situation, in your restoration, and your fretting about what she is thinking, saying, doing, and giving her some credit for that by speaking things like she is strong willed, she is resistant to restoration, she seems happy where she is. This is your flesh reacting to what the demonic beings who have a hold on her are saying and doing...not her...but what they are making her say. When you get caught up in what they are saying through her, and reacting to those things, then that is your focus...their negative has become your negative, and worry is the darkroom where negatives develop....meaning they become real and have substance to them, they manifest into reality. This is a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. However whatever happens in the spiritual will manifest into the physical, that is how it works. Demons are spiritual beings, you cannot see them, you cannot touch them, they are invisible to you. But they are real, and they have your wife captive, and what they tell her to do manifests in the physical world where you can see it and touch it. Her leaving you, her divorcing you, her pushing you away. She is just a body to them by which they can do things in the physical realm, make their actions be seen and heard, because they are invisible and nothing they do can be seen or heard, they need a vessel (a person) to inhabitate to make them seen and heard. But they are spiritual beings and everything they do begins in the spiritual realm of which they are made of. You cannot fight them in the physical, because they are not physical, you have to fight them on their own plane, the spiritual. You can fight the body they have control over in the physical, your wifes body, but all you are doing is striking at the vessel they inhabit, and never are you actually touching them themselves. They will laugh at you. It is like they are inside a armored tank and you are just beating on the outside of the tank and they are safe inside laughing at you and meanwhile you are causing more damage to the tank...leaving dents (in your wife) which helps their cause by making you look even worse to her so they can pull her deeper down into their control. You have to get on their plane my brother, step out of your physical plane and into their spiritual plane where you can get to them and they have no way to hide from you. You cannot see them in your physical plane, but you can see them in their spiritual plane and strike them. So you have to crucify your flesh in this battle and step into your spirit man which is within you. You have to close your physical eyes and ears, plug them up, and open your spiritual eyes and ears and then you will be in their realm and plane. What is the spiritual plane? In the spirital plane only spiritual things exist, the things you cannot see in the physical realm. Satan, his demons, God and His angels, and what both of them say and do. In this spiritual plane satan and his demons say that your wife does not love you, does not want you, but the good news is, God is there and He says that your wife does love you, that what He has joined together no one can separate, it is this spiritual plane that you and your wife made a vow in. Marriage is a spiritual covenant, it is a spiritual vow to God. It just so happens that when you make that spiritual vow, in the physical realm man writes up a piece of paper for vital statistics and hands it to you, because man has to be able to touch and see something. But the real marriage bonding is spiritual, a spiritual covenant vow with God that takes place in the spiritual realm. This is where it cannot be broken by anyone but God Himself, not man in the physical realm with another peice of paper for vital statistics and legal manipulations of man, taxes and such. So in the spiritual realm, satan and his demons are sitting there saying, "Its over, we stole your wife and got her to have man write up a peice of paper, and we are causing her to say things and do things that this man is going to believe, because he is a human and gullable and ignorant of our spiritual plane and the truth, and he is going to just walk on and we will have destroyed this marriage and family". But, on that same plane is God and He says, "Liar, I will call upon this man and put it in his spirit, a spirit that I have put within him, that this is a lie and that he is to fight against you with Me to thwart your plot to destroy this marriage and family, and you will not destroy my children." God will say, "I created you satan and your demonic beings, and I have created the spiritual laws of marriage covenant, and their vow is binding unto me, and you cannot come against me or my spiritual laws, they prevail over you for I made both you and those laws, you are nothing, and I will teach this man my laws and I will teach him to speak my laws and believe in faith in my laws, and you will never come against what this man believes in faith and speaks that is my law that governs you in both the spiritual and manifests into the physcial".
Okay, so you are in the physical, and you are human, a person that is influenced by what you see and can touch, can hear with your physical body. So this is where satan attacks you, using the body, mind, mouth of your wife. His demons take her hostage, kidnap her body, mind and mouth, and they do these things in the physical where you operate in your flesh and react to them. This is how they fight and how they win, in the physical. They cannot win in the spiritual realm, because they are bound by Gods spiritual laws there. And anything they can get you to do in the physical just helps them if it is a negative response, it validates what they are doing in the physical realm. So you have to step out of the physical realm, which is not easy because you are a physical being. But you do have a spiritual man within you that God put within you, so you are able to step into the spiritual realm. You do this by again closing your physical eyes and ears, shut them off to what you see and hear, which is just the demons doing things, saying things, through the physical body they have taken captive. It is not her saying and doing these things...she is trapped and they are using her body, mind and mouth to say what they want to you. Key point here. So you shut that out, close it off, and you step into the spiritual realm where they are and they are already defeated, because they are bound by the laws of God who created them. To do this, you shut out the physical and only focus on the spiritual laws of God. You mind set on those laws, you eat, see, breathe, sleep, wake, and only consume yourself and surround yourself with those spiritual laws of God. It does not matter what they say to you in the physical realm, you only think and speak out back to them what God said in the spiritual realm, that what God has joined together, you and your wife, no one will separate. You know that those spiritual laws are real, and they are the only truth, that anything else is a lie and cannot prevail, only the spiritual truth can prevail, and that they have to heed that law...because they are bound by it. When they use your wifes mouth to say, "I am happy divorced from you, I want us to distance ourselves from one another", you do not listen to those lies they are speaking through her, you close them off, and you mind set and emotion set on, "What God has joined together, let no one separate, that we are not to be apart from one another except by mutual agreement to fast and pray, that we are one man to one woman for life, that the Lord our God hates divorce and says no". You do not tremble at what they say through your wifes mouth, instead you stand on the rock of what God says is truth and law in your marriage. You have got to understand and know that you know that you know, as I say, that this is Gods law and they have to obey Gods law, that they have to let go of your wife and follow the laws of God. They will argue with you, do their best to convince you that they do not have to and you just need to give up and let go yourself of your wife and marriage and let them have it, but you cannot give them or show them any sign of yielding to their lies, you have got to stand bold and get in their face and say no, you will let go of my wife and marriage and follow the law of God.
Everytime you let what they tell you make you tremble and cry, make you fumble and fret, then you are not standing on Gods spiritual laws and enforcing them with authority in your marriage. You are grabbing your end of the rope attached to her and trying to hold onto her yourself with your own physical strength. You are not trusting in the spiritual laws of God, you are only coming back to your own flesh and trying to hold pull on the rope yourself with your own physical strength, trying to keep her in sight with your own physical eyes, and accepting what your own physical ears have heard. Stop! That is not truth they are saying, they are just trying to get you distracted from the truth so you will step into your flesh and physical realm and grab the rope in desparation, and this helps them pull her under, this helps them hold her in place in the whirlpool and their suction on her.
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Why do you think God is slow to respond? I know he wants our marriage/family restored, everyone is hurting, then I think what my wife said, nothing is happening. I guess my faith is being tested. What else should I be doing? I have been praying, & reading the Bible. I do not call her, although there are times that I want to call her. I just wonder if she is happy being divorced, it seems she is when she says stuff like we didn't have much of relationship. Its almost like she is looking for some else. To be honest Kristie there are times I get alittle scared because I've been fighting since Sept 06 to save my marriage/family. We wound up getting divorced so I don't know what else to do, I have turned it over to God...
.....why else would you break up the family and hurt the kids. Would she come back after putting the kids through this hurt?
This right here my friend is your flesh man reacting in the physical realm. You are not in the spiritual realm of this battle, you are very much in the physical and trying to fight this in the physical realm, it wont work. It does not matter what she is doing, what she says, what you think she thinks, what you worry she may think or feel or do. That is all irrelivant in this battle, because it is not even her that is doing or saying or thinking or feeling anything. It is satans demonic beings using her body, mind and mouth to do and say things that keep you reacting in your flesh and holding the rope on your side of the pond, so that they can keep ahold of her in the whirlpool they have her spinning in and bobbing up and down in. Let go of the rope my friend, step out of your physical man and into your spiritual man, and face them and say no, that is not what God says, that is not the law, a law that you have to obey here, these things are lies of your making and you will let go of my wife and my marriage, because God created you and God created the laws that you have to abide by, and I am not accepting your lies and your trickey, I am not holding the rope anymore, nor trembling at your lies and reacting to them, I am standing on the rock and not moving off of it. I am taking authority over my wife as her one flesh, and over our marriage, in the Name of Jesus, and I am enforcing the laws of God that you must obey and are going to obey! I have no fear, I have no worry, I will not fret, I will not cry, I will not believe your lies anymore and I will not hold the rope anymore, I only believe the law of God and will only respond to you with the law of God. I drop the rope and let only God hold any rope attached to my wife and marriage, and He will pull her in and out of your grasp. He will rebuild the love and rebuild the house of our marriage in righteousness and make all things new, a house that you will never gain entrace into ever again. He will do it in His time and in His way and I will stand on the rock unmoved and wait for Him to complete His work in us and our marriage...no matter how long that may take, because God is perfect and so is His timing.
You are a warrior of God my brother. You are a formidable force in God, and they are under your feet, satan and his demonic beings! But you are not formidable and they are not under your feet if you are sitting down and crying and worrying and wondering what she is thinking, feeling, what she may do next, what she may want to do....because in doing this you are sitting down and giving them leeway to do what they want with her and your marriage. They cannot be under your feet with any pressure if you are sitting down crying or laying down desparate. Stand up, put them under your feet, and push down on them hard, trapping them in the spiritual law of God. Ignore what lies they cry out, push harder every time they do speak a lie through your wife. They are pulling her under, now you get up and push them under and breaking their grip on her. You can only do this by standing on the word and laws of God and not letting anything they say or do phase you or distract you from that word and law. Think of it as a parable of you letting go of the rope and swimming out to your wife and strongly pulling their hands off of her while God pulls her up and out. Work with God, not in opposition to God.
Does this make sense and help you any. I search constantly for some way to explain this to standers. I hope this explains it more clearly.
God bless you...
