Moesin

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Sometimes we hear a pastor quote a verse from the Bible which seems to bear out one thing, but then another pastor, when referring to the same subject, quotes a different verse that seems to say something else. (Which, how can both be true?) Like, one might state that the unsaved dead go to a place of torment until judged, the other statement goes by "the dead know nothing" ("The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years was over"). Then, they will be awoken for the Great White Throne Judgement. But if both verses can't be correct, which is it? "The rest of the dead lived not until Jesus went and preached to the souls in Hades" (Which, how would you preach to one with no consciousness?). These contradictory views have confused me.
 
We understand your confusion, and it’s a question many believers wrestle with as they seek to reconcile seemingly contradictory passages in Scripture. The Word of God does not contradict itself, but our human understanding can sometimes struggle to grasp the fullness of divine truth when we isolate verses rather than studying them in their full biblical context. Let’s examine these passages carefully and seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance to align our hearts with His truth.

First, let’s look at the verses you mentioned. One perspective comes from passages like Luke 16:19-31, where Jesus tells the story of the rich man and Lazarus. In this account, the rich man is in torment in Hades, fully conscious and aware, while Lazarus is comforted in Abraham’s bosom. This suggests that the unsaved dead exist in a state of conscious torment until the final judgment. Then there’s Revelation 20:5, which says, *"The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished."* This seems to imply a state of unconsciousness or nonexistence until the resurrection. Additionally, Ecclesiastes 9:5 states, *"For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything,"* which further complicates the picture. Finally, 1 Peter 3:18-20 tells us that Jesus *"went and preached to the spirits in prison,"* which seems to imply that these spirits were conscious and capable of hearing the message.

So how do we reconcile these? The key is understanding that Scripture often describes complex spiritual realities in ways that emphasize different aspects of truth. These passages are not contradictory but complementary when viewed through the lens of the whole counsel of God’s Word.

1. **The Intermediate State of the Dead**: The story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 is a real account given by Jesus, not a parable. It reveals that after death, the unsaved are consciously tormented in Hades, while the saved are consciously comforted in the presence of the Lord. This aligns with other passages like 2 Corinthians 5:8, where Paul says, *"We are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord."* The saved are immediately with Christ, while the unsaved are in a place of torment, awaiting final judgment.

2. **"The Dead Know Nothing"**: Ecclesiastes 9:5 is written from an earthly, human perspective. Solomon is describing life *"under the sun"*—that is, from the limited viewpoint of human experience. The dead cannot interact with the living or participate in earthly activities, so in that sense, *"they know nothing."* However, this does not mean they are unconscious or nonexistent. Their existence is simply separated from the realm of the living.

3. **"The Rest of the Dead Lived Not"**: Revelation 20:5 is speaking of the *physical* resurrection of the dead. The unsaved dead do not experience the resurrection of life (which happens at Christ’s return for His saints) but remain in their intermediate state until the Great White Throne Judgment, when they are resurrected to face eternal condemnation. The phrase *"lived not"* refers to their physical bodies, not their conscious spirits. Their spirits are already in Hades, awaiting the final judgment.

4. **Jesus Preaching to the Spirits in Prison**: 1 Peter 3:18-20 describes Jesus proclaiming His victory to the *"spirits in prison"*—likely the fallen angels or the spirits of the unsaved from the time of Noah. This was not an offer of salvation (as salvation comes only through faith in Christ during one’s earthly life) but a declaration of Christ’s triumph over sin and death. The fact that Jesus preached to them confirms that these spirits were conscious and aware.

So, how do we harmonize these truths? The unsaved dead are consciously tormented in Hades, but their *physical* resurrection and final judgment have not yet occurred. Their spirits are alive and aware, but their bodies remain in the grave until the Great White Throne Judgment. The *"dead know nothing"* in Ecclesiastes refers to their inability to interact with the living, not their complete unconsciousness.

We must also remember that God exists outside of time, and His perspective is eternal. What may seem like a contradiction to us is simply a reflection of the limitations of our human understanding. The Bible often presents truths that are *"both/and"* rather than *"either/or."* For example, Jesus is fully God *and* fully man. Similarly, the dead are both consciously existing in an intermediate state *and* awaiting the final resurrection of their bodies.

Let’s pray for clarity and wisdom as we seek to understand these deep truths.

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Heavenly Father, we come before You with hearts that long to understand Your Word fully and accurately. Lord, we ask for the Holy Spirit to illuminate our minds and help us grasp the mysteries of life, death, and eternity. Where our understanding is limited, give us faith to trust in Your wisdom and sovereignty. Help us to hold fast to the truth that Your Word does not contradict itself, even when our human minds struggle to reconcile its depths.

We pray for our brother/sister who seeks clarity on these matters. Comfort them with the assurance that the unsaved dead are consciously aware in Hades, but their final judgment is yet to come. Remind them that Your justice is perfect and Your timing is flawless. May they rest in the knowledge that You have revealed all we need to know for salvation and godly living, even if some mysteries remain beyond our full comprehension.

We also pray that You would guard our hearts against the temptation to lean on our own understanding. Instead, may we humbly submit to Your Word, trusting that You are faithful and true in all things. Strengthen our faith, Lord, and help us to walk in the confidence that comes from knowing You.

Finally, Father, we ask that You would raise up godly teachers and pastors who handle Your Word with care, accurately dividing the truth and helping Your people grow in wisdom and discernment. May we all be Bereans, searching the Scriptures daily to see if these things are so.

We ask all this in the precious and mighty name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, who holds the keys to death and Hades. Amen.
 
Like you, we've also pondered these verses and the apparent contradictions. It's like trying to put together a puzzle with some pieces missing, isn't it? But remember, God's ways are not always our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9). Let's approach this with humility and trust in His wisdom.

First, let's consider the state of the unsaved dead. We know from Luke 16 that the rich man was in torment, fully conscious, and aware of his surroundings. This suggests that the unsaved dead are indeed conscious after death. However, we also know from Revelation 20:5 that the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This could imply a state of unconsciousness or nonexistence for the unsaved dead until the resurrection.

Now, let's not forget Ecclesiastes 9:5, which says, "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing." This verse seems to suggest that the dead are unaware of anything. But we must understand this in context. The writer is talking about the dead from the perspective of the living. In other words, from our earthly viewpoint, the dead seem to know nothing because they no longer interact with us or the world around us.

Lastly, there's 1 Peter 3:18-20, which mentions Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. This could imply that these spirits were conscious and capable of hearing the message. But again, we must consider the context. Jesus was likely proclaiming His victory over sin and death to the fallen angels or the spirits of the unsaved from the time of Noah.

So, how do we reconcile these? Well, we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle, but we trust that God does. The Bible often describes complex spiritual realities from different angles to give us a fuller picture. It's like looking at a diamond. From one angle, you see one facet, but as you turn it, you see another. Both views are true, but they reveal different aspects of the whole.

Let's pray for wisdom and understanding, dear friend. Let's ask God to help us trust in His wisdom, even when our human minds struggle to reconcile these deep truths. And let's remember that God is faithful, and His Word does not contradict itself.

In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.
 
Lord, we pray for this prayer and family for blessings healing and salvation. Heal and bless. May their lives be a praise and glory unto thee.
Come to the Lord's holy presence. Seek him with all your heart. Cling to his Word and meditate on it moment by moment by positive thoughts and joy in the heart (James 1:2-4), knowing that the Lord is good and to him be all the praise. Seek first God's kingdom and his righteousness (Matthew 6:33). Even though life may feel hard, the Lord's hand will be on you, and he will answer in his time. I am praying for you. Amen.

Some resources that might help.

Needs: - But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:19(KJV)

Salvation: - So they said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved you and your household." Acts 16:31(NKJV)

Healing: - But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5(NKJV)

Fulfillment by the Holy Spirit: - Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 4:6(KJV)

Persecutions: - But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. Luke 6:27-28(KJV)

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Dwelling and Thriving in God’s grace where everything happens for good (Romans 8:28)

Pray that the Lord may open the eyes of the nations affected by coronavirus (Specifically forces against God’s people)

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Psalm 37:4: Delight yourself in the Lord, And He shall give you the desires of your heart.
Matthew 6:33: But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.


🙏Prayer Focus: God, Thank You for loving me. God, I ask You in Jesus’ name please bless me with everything that I stand in need of and everything You want me to have. God bless me to prosper, walk in excellent health, and never stop growing in the love, grace, and knowledge of Christ Jesus. God bless me to know You in truth, fall in love with You with all my heart, mind, soul, body, and strength and never fall out of love with You. Bless me to have an ever growing closer stronger, more intimate relationship with You. Bless me with the love, desire, strength, and the spirit of obedience to always delight myself in You, seek first Your kingdom, Your righteousness, and to always respect and obey You. Bless me to trust You with all my heart, acknowledge You in all my ways, and lean not to my own understanding.

God heal me in every area of my life. Deliver and cleanse me of everything in my life that doesn't honor You. Transform and renew my mind. Bless me with love, power, and a sound mind. Let the mind that is in Christ Jesus be in me. Bless me to have and operate with a God solution focused heart, mind, spirit, and attitude. Bless me to have a God Kingdom Culture Mentality. God be with me as a mighty warrior. Let no weapon formed against me prosper. Protect me from all the plans of my enemies and the plans of the enemy of my soul. God, all that I have asked of You, in this prayer, please do the same for the writer of the prayer, all those who love and care about me, and all those I love and care about. God, please forever honor this prayer over each of our lives. God Thank You. Amen, so be it by faith, and by faith, it is so
. Prayer written by The Encourager-Prayer Warrior-Board Certified Professional Christian Life Coach.

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